Garry Schick
So, this is one that came to you, Jonathan. Somebody asked you the other day, "why do you think Thomas doubted?" And we were just talking this morning that this could even be a good springboard to talk about all 12. I mean, obviously Jesus is the center point. He's the focus of the gospels. But we do read about these other 12 guys who we get quite a bit about. Others only have their name, really. And then there's guys like Thomas that, and he kind of has this nickname, Doubting Thomas. Actually, if you're reading the gospels, he had a different nickname. He was also known as, "the twin." So he had a brother. But we're going to dig into all that a little bit today. But anyway, Jonathan what have you got?
Jonathan Hernandez
So, we see this right after the resurrection. The disciples were all together and Jesus comes. And unfortunately, or fortunately, I don't know how we want to look at this, but Thomas wasn't there. This is what? John 20:24, "One of the 12, Thomas, was not with the other disciples when Jesus came. And so the other disciples told him, 'we have seen Jesus." And this is where we see that whole, where we have given Thomas this nickname of, the doubter.
Garry Schick
But he didn't just doubt. He said, "I don't believe it." That's a little different.
Jonathan Hernandez
Yeah. And he's like, "unless I see the nail marks, if I not only see it, but I want to put my hand on, so maybe my eyes won't deceive me. I have to be able to touch it and feel it." And, you know, that's intense. I think, as we look at the story, there's a lot of things that jump out to me. Like, why was Thomas not there? Right?
Garry Schick
Yeah.
Jonathan Hernandez
Thomas, he was a huge part that we see throughout different parts of scripture. He's a leader in a sense. He's part of this group, and so why is he not in the room at that time? And we can read into it and have some, I think I was reading one commentary. They said that they think he was out running errands doing some things like that and just missed it.
Garry Schick
Did he work for DoorDash?
Jonathan Hernandez
Yeah. Maybe Uber or picking up the Walmart order, going to grab the fish. Who knows, right?
Garry Schick
Something fishy about that.
Jonathan Hernandez
And it's sad to think that he wasn't there. I think of another story---
Garry Schick
But it wasn't like Jesus said, "by the way, guys, I'm going to be here at six."
Jonathan Hernandez
Yeah, and then Thomas just missed it. Right. But he did miss it. He wasn't there. There's a story in John 11 when Lazarus was sick. And, you know, Jesus, they haven't gone there yet. Cause he said, "let's wait. And then we'll go." And all the disciples are like, "whoa, wait. Let's not go. Because last time we went, they tried to kill you Jesus." And Thomas goes, "if he goes, I want to go. If he's going to die, then I might as well go die too."
Garry Schick
Yeah. But that's the way you phrase it. We might as well go die with Him.
Jonathan Hernandez
Yeah. So we've dubbed him, "Doubting Thomas," from that later event, but we also see where he didn't doubt anything in this moment. He's like, "Jesus. If he's going there, I'm going there and I'm going to go and die with him. I'm going to be part of this." And so we know that Thomas is just like, "I am going to do this. I'm going to be a part of this." And then we find him later on not being a part of it. And the question is, why do we think that he wasn't there? And to me, I always wonder, is it because of the hurt that he experienced at the cross? Thomas gave up his whole life to follow Jesus. He gave up everything to be a part of this group of people with Jesus. And maybe his expectations weren't met. And I think about us, like there's many times that we become hurt. And what do we do? We put up a wall. And I'm wondering if, from the moment of Jesus dying on the cross, did Thomas put up a wall? And was he walking around with hurt and pain and depression or whatever it may be that he was dealing with in that time. And then the disciples, obviously, they know where he's at, because they go and tell him, right? And they go, "Thomas, we've seen Jesus." And he's like, "oh, there's no way. It's impossible. There's no way that you've seen Jesus." And then we're like, "he totally missed it. He missed everything." And to us it feels like it should be the end of the story. And yet Jesus says, "no, that's not the end of the story. I'm going to come back and I'm going to show him." And He comes and he shows Thomas, and Thomas is able to see and everything, right? And he gets that extended grace that God gave him in that moment for him to be able to experience that breakthrough moment again for him.