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This edition of Ask the Pastor features Pastors Mike Clement, David Clement, and Michael Gleb.

Michael Clement
We've decided that we're gonna continue on with what we were already doing, which was talking about the fundamentals of the faith. And the first one is the Bible, as the word of God. And what we've already talked about is inspiration in being inherent, in being preserved, and in being authoritative; which means it's not optional. They're called the 10 Commandments, not the 10 suggestions. And this is what God's word is. What he uses to judge cultures, to judge individuals. And so here we have it in front of us today. Another thing that we wanted to point out is that the Bible is spiritually discerned. I wanna read from 1 Corinthians 2:14. It says, "but the natural man," that's talking about somebody that's unsaved. Somebody that doesn't know Christ as their Savior. Somebody that doesn't have the Holy Spirit living in them. It says, "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him. Neither can he know them, because they're spiritually discerned." There is an aspect of God's word that cannot be understood by somebody who doesn't know Christ as their Savior. Now, they may know what the words mean, they may be able to put it down. They may be able to repeat it. But that inward knowledge and understanding is something that only comes through the Holy Spirit. And the good news is that every person who's come to know Christ as their Savior, the Bible tells us, is "indwelleth with the Holy Spirit." Jesus said, "when the Holy Spirit would come, he would guide us into all truth." And that he would also remind us of the things that he spoke of. So the Bible is spiritually discerned. And another thing that we said is that the Bible is culturally independent. Now, we have a film by a missionary by the name of Otto Coning who said he went to this people group that was in Dutch New Guinea. And it takes a long while for a missionary to be able to, uh, get through. Oh, no! I'm thinking of another person. Ouch. Peace Child, the fellow who wrote the book, Peace Child. He went to this people group, took him a long while for him to get the language down. And once he got the language down, then he began to communicate the message of the gospel. And when he told them how Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss, the people began to laugh, because they honored and worshiped treachery. So when they first heard the story of Jesus, they thought Judas was the hero. But it was because their culture was so twisted. That, uh, in their culture wrong was right and right was wrong. And the Bible actually has a verse that talks about that, that says, "woe unto those that call wrong right, and right wrong." But the Bible stands outside of a culture and passes judgment on it. And that's God's perspective. Just because you were told something was right that doesn't necessarily mean that it's right. If we want to know universally what's right or what's wrong, then we can go to the word of God. So it stands outside of the culture, and it stands in judgment over a culture. And then, another thing that we point out is that the Bible needs to be understood, literally. Now, I'm trying to remember the exact phrase. "It's the literal, grammatical, historical, interpretation of scripture." There are things that have certain meaning in a certain time in history, and they're used of something in a historical context. And then there are figures of speech. A hyperbole is an overexaggerated statement to make a point. And there are other figures of speech that you find in the Bible. But there're obvious. I mean, that it can be, it's to be understood. It can be understood through those things. And so when we come to the Bible, we need to recognize, "Yeah, there are historical context. There is literary, grammatical uses." But it needs to be understood literally. Otherwise, it doesn't mean anything. I kind of, I have a problem with when somebody says, "well, this doesn't mean that. It means something else." Well, okay. What does it mean? And they'll offer an opinion, and you ask, "well, how do you know that?" And it comes down to, "that's what I wanted to mean."

David Clement
Well, one of the things that's interesting, you know, along those lines, is the kind of debate we see in Christianity today about the Old Testament, you know. Where we're living in the New Testament age. And so the Old Testament doesn't really apply to us, but we don't really have to look at it. The interesting thing is, if you look at the words of Jesus, a lot of them are from the Old Testament. First of all, he was quoting the Old Testament.

Michael Gleb
So did Paul. Massively.

David Clement
Yeah, and someone once told me, and I haven't necessarily taken the time to look it up, but someone once told me that for every New Testament truth and every New Testament doctrine, there's an Old Testament example. And I haven't, like I said, I haven't taken the time to look it all up.

Michael Gleb
But I'm sure that's the case.

David Clement
I've seen several fo them myself. And if you look at the Old Testament, the way that God dealt with the children of Israel is how He's dealing with the individuals in the church today. And so you see how God would lead them through, you'd see how God would discipline them as a nation from time to time. A lot of times you can see a direct, polar, or parallel to believers today. And so, just not saying that it's a picture necessarily, but it's again, how God has written these things down for them at that time. You know, there are some things that, again, you know, talking about crossing the Red Sea, I'm not sure I need to know about, necessarily that aspect, because I don't cross the Red Sea literally. But there is a spiritual application there. Which is our trust in the Lord. There are some historical things, but again, it does apply to us to date even the Old Testament.

Michael Clement
Okay, good deal. And your view of the Bible is critical to everything else. Because everything else is what the Bible teaches us about. You know, we're gonna talk about the trinity. Well, how do we know that there's a trinity? Because the Bible says so! Now there is, I think there is validity in saying, what has Christianity taught for 2,000 years? But let's face it, the church's denominations, organizations, individuals, schools at times, they stray. They start going off. And when you find great movements of God that are oftentimes called revivals, great movements of God amongst His people, one of the things that happens is people come back to the Bible. They get their lives straightened back up based on what the Bible has to say.

Michael Gleb
That's exactly what a revival is. There's been a lot talk of revival, even in the news these days. But if it doesn't begin with agreeing with God and agreeing according to His word, I hate to say it, but it's truly not revival. I mean, let's just be honest. It has to be based in the word of God. Unlike this culturally independent thing here. And it's a sad thing where I believe that Satan has got a lot of people convinced that there are, you know, this somehow is an American religion. Or this somehow is a white man's religion, and it's just not the case. This is a word of God for mankind. This is His word to mankind. It's a sad, sad thing. But it rises above anything that I would put onto my own identity. It rises above that. And like you said, this is where we can find truth. As I was growing up, there was two things from a Christian education that I remember very importantly was that, "what is culture?" Culture is a way of life of a group of people. That's why one of the first things I learned. The second thing I learned was, "well, what's the most important part of culture? Is how that culture relates to God. Some cultures don't relate to God. Some people have decided to remove Him from their thinking, as we see in Romans one. How they relate to God; the most important part of any culture. And so, anyway. If that helps at all.

Michael Clement
And you see how God's word, the gospel of God's word, improves any group, any people. When was the last time you saw a hospital that was built by a group of atheists or named for a famous atheist? You know, I don't think there's a Madeline Marie O'Hare hospital anywhere. Oftentimes, what secular thinking people do is, "well, let's preserve that culture." You know, "we don't want to destroy that culture." Yeah, you let them eat one another still, and you let them do all these horrific things. Wherever the Bible has gone, wherever the gospel has gone: it's brought healthcare, it's brought education, it's brought law, it's brought a decent way of living. We had a guy in our church years ago, and we were in Sunday school. I don't remember exactly what it was we were talking about, but he had said something I wrote down on a piece of paper. I still have it on my desk somewhere. And he said, "Every person wants to be treated the way the Bible commands us to treat one another." I was like, "Wow! Yeah, that is so true." You know, that is so true. Everybody wants to be treated important. Everybody wants to be treated decently. Everybody wants to be treated honestly, and with respect and so forth. And those concepts may be found other places, but it's pretty rare. Where it's indoctrinated right into the gospel message.

Michael Gleb
I was listening to one of our missionaries' letters the other night, and William Carey had gone to India. And one of the practices of that was when a husband died, a wife would have to be burned alive on top of her husband's corpse as they floated it down the river. That was the culture. And William Carey came in and changed that. How did he change it? Through the word of God. Not because he was a silver tongue dude, you know? He changed it through the word of God.

Michael Clement
And so, what you find today is all around the world in different cultures. There's Christianity, some places where it's not found yet. We're trying to get it there. But in Asian culture, in European, in South America, on every continent, their churches sometimes look a little different. I mean, it's related to their culture, but it's not dominated by their culture. And, you know, where does it come from? Comes from the word of God. And so, it's so imperative. And that's why with some groups, when people start fooling around with the word of God gets my hackles up. I don't like that, you know? That's not what the word of God says, or what the word of God means.

Michael Gleb
And that goes to the point that you began with; spiritually discerned.

Michael Clement
Spiritually discerned.

Michael Gleb
How do we know, you know? Is because, if you're a child of God, you have the spirit of God. And then you have the word of God, and the spirit of God's gonna lead you into the truth of the Word of God. And that radar starts to scope a little bit when somebody starts to twist scripture. "Wait a minute, that's not what that," yeah.

Michael Clement
Yeah, and that's why it's important for us to know God's word, individually, know God's word. Many years ago, my wife and I were working in a church and a lot of people in the church were very ignorant of God's word. And at Sunday School, the kids didn't know the Bible. The teachers didn't know the Bible. There just was a real lack of knowledge of the Bible. And one of the older ladies in the church told me that many years ago, the church had had a series of pastors that truly believed the Bible, and they were encouraged to be in their Bibles. But then they got a pastor that came, and on one Sunday he said, "you know, you people are bringing your Bibles back and forth from church and home and you're gonna wear them out." He said, "leave your Bible at home. We've got Bibles in the pew, and I'll tell you what the Bible says." And she saw that as the beginning of the decline of their church spiritually. And it makes a lot of sense. Anyway, she's got a lot of wisdom.